Chris Hannover

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  I have a serious problem

  by My Name is of No Consequence in

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  i have a serious problem that i cannot solve on my own.

  i was born-in but am only in by a thread at this point.

  i quit the tms a few weeks ago and wrote a post on it.

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  You don't seem to have the ability or desire to make a stand with your wife or some elders. What you are doing is passive aggressively dragging your feet and being indecisive on where you stand.

  Since you aren't picking a side, they're picking a side for you.

  "If you cant beat them, join them" applies to you. They are obviously stronger and more capable than you, so you should go back to being an active JW. That is the only way you will have peace. You can be a social JW and just play the part.

  Some people aren't built to stand alone, not a failure, just personality.
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  The stars will fall from the sky... but maybe they are better where they are?

  by M*A*S*H in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as an atheist interested in debate i have often accused religious folk of suffering cognitive dissonance on many issues.

  i stupidly thought i might be immune to such dissonance.

  however now i find myself in a battle for my own mind with no obvious end in sight.. i remember being taught as a young jw that the following passage in mark "the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

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  Do you really mean 'removed' or perhaps you mean die out?

  Either removed or die out, everything will happen however it will happen.

  Should slavery have been allowed to die out naturally or did it need to be removed?

  As we grow in knowledge, schools of thought that threaten human decency are removed if they don't die out. Religion is actively resisting humanity's growth and that may ultimately destroy it by whatever means.
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  The stars will fall from the sky... but maybe they are better where they are?

  by M*A*S*H in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  as an atheist interested in debate i have often accused religious folk of suffering cognitive dissonance on many issues.

  i stupidly thought i might be immune to such dissonance.

  however now i find myself in a battle for my own mind with no obvious end in sight.. i remember being taught as a young jw that the following passage in mark "the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.

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  For civil and human rights to progress, religion must be removed at some point.

  Religious "virtues" and "morality" condemn humanity and ignore civil rights in favor of divine authority.

  For society and individuals to become healthy, our human nature must be understood, accepted, and appreciated. More evolutionary biology and less burn-them-at-the-stake.
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  Oh Damn...I have been sprung!

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i knew it could happen one day...yet i was so careful..... sitting at the sound cabinet, i had our awesome forum open on my tablet, and didn't see the microphone brother looking over at me...... he wandered over and asked me "whats that site?".

  i quickly responded "oh, i googled to get to our jw.org site, and this must have popped up" while quickly closing it.... he didn't look too fussed, but my heart was beating..... he is pretty chilled out and certainly not an "uber-dub"...but this was a wake up call to be more careful...i am fading fast, but don't want anymore attention from the nazi-elders while doing so!.

  be careful all!

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  Shutting down the Judicial Committee "invite".

  by kairos in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  judicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).

  what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?

  ( for good ).

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  While I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, I openly threatened the two elders that "invited" me to a JC. I was calm and quiet, but painfully direct.

  I realized if I didn't stand up to these guys mentally, emotionally, and physically, they would haunt me forever. I would always be hiding and pretending because some random guys imagined they were my superiors and demanding I be submissive to them.

  I told them "no" and they accepted it because I gave them no other choice. I am still friendly with them and chat whenever I see them. I am not angry at them anymore, they are just ordinary guys now, not elders.

  They seem to realize I don't fit in their group and I dont need shepherded like a helpless sheep. If you act like a sheep, someone will always attempt to shepherd you.

  
  

  
  
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  Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

  by Viviane in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

  i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

  indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

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  Nightline program with segment on JWs has been changed until tomorrow night.

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was at a criminal trial all day in murfreesboro, tn, involving the notorious jw who i call "mommy molester," angela montgomery.

  this is the reason i didn't know until this evening that the nightline program with the segment on jws was changed until tomorrow night.

  (i forgot my phone.

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  But then, in front of the cameras, she says that telling what happened to her would "give (her) nightmares."
  Candi, baby, the NIGHTMARE happened when you were nine! How could telling your story ONE MORE TIME be unbearable?

  I'm famous for being insensitive and harsh... but I found this to be insensitive.

  I imagine that she feels like she is ripping her own heart out every time she tells her story.

  She has done more than any of us to expose the WT. She has done enough, we shouldn't ask for more.
  
  
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  Asshole Atheism – Not for me, now or ever.

  by donny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to start off with let me clarify that by asshole atheism i am not referring to strong atheism or any other type of upfront atheism.

  what i am referring to is the belligerent, hateful atheism that smacks of trolls and other types who want to derail conversation or comments at any cost..

  i enjoy hearing comments from both sides of the subjects of theism, nationalism or politics, especially from those who have intense opinions.

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  Chris Hannover

  Asshole: anyone that won't let you have everything your way (applies to all subjects and situations).
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  Anyone else feeling de-sheeped?

  by Slave4_38y in

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  2. humour

  i've never felt sheepish but the more i learn ttatt, i've been mentally de-sheeped.. .

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  Pick your belief system

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think we've all noticed a ton of newbe's these past months.

  one part of escaping or thinking about escaping the jw's is coming to terms with what you believe now and/or what direction you are leaning towards.. here is a site that has a quick quiz that may be of some worth or just for fun.

  i took it when i first signed on here and the results surprised me because it was pretty accurate.. you don't have to sign up for anything and when you finish you will get a percentage answer on 20 major belief systems.

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  Chris Hannover

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